I think the word needs to be spread around the congregations that if you don't want to get disfellowshipped, then don't get dunked.......
Half banana
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Do you want to play with bears? You are now qualified for baptism!
by neat blue dog inat today's wt study about child baptism, someone commented and she pointed to the picture of the little girl playing with her teddy bear.
she said, 'she may be looking at her bear and thinking about getting to play with bears in the new system.
her parents notice this, and they decide since it's real to her she may be ready for baptism.
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Do you want to play with bears? You are now qualified for baptism!
by neat blue dog inat today's wt study about child baptism, someone commented and she pointed to the picture of the little girl playing with her teddy bear.
she said, 'she may be looking at her bear and thinking about getting to play with bears in the new system.
her parents notice this, and they decide since it's real to her she may be ready for baptism.
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Half banana
Another example to show that the JW governing body are only self interested in their survival as a viable religious corporation. Their focus is to keep the membership numbers high enough to perpetuate the religion and its income.
If they were really putting spiritual things first they would put the welfare of their followers first and have responsible adults who love their children unconditionally. This would involve unselfishly putting the emotional development and education of their offspring as a priority . Instead of this common sense and loving approach, what does the JW leadership call for?............Entrapment!............. Stick your children into a dire brainless cult, get them baptised so they can't leave without breaking up the family bonds.
The JW religion is ruthless -- to encourage baptism for youngsters at an age before they can evaluate the lifetime consequences of doing so is a callous trap. If you value happy family life and common sense, have nothing to do with this abusive cult!
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They've given themselves a out for refusing to give you your data if you ask for it
by purrpurr infrom the jw.org global data page.
"upon receipt of your written request, after you provide sufficient evidence of your identity and enough information to permit us to identify your personal data, the applicable data controller will fairly consider granting the request by balancing the interests of the individual in gaining access to data or correcting or deleting data against the legitimate interests of the organization, including whether granting the request would endanger the organization’s right to religious freedom and practice.
we will also notify any third-party recipients of the necessary changes.. please note that your data may not be erased if processing is required by law or if the data may be kept on other legal bases.
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Half banana
Is it possible that this measure is a response to the correct accusation that JW HQ withholds information which is valuable to the police? Are they now making a registration to show that they comply?
Or is it the thin end of another wedge?
I remember an alarm going off in my head back in the seventies when they decided to 'enforce volunteer' in that way that the Watchtower does, that all congs should use the Org (it was called "the Society" back then) for the purpose of insuring kingdom halls with HQ. This gave them an extra income plus the details of the title deeds to all the properties worldwide. It paved the way in the next decade for a take-over of all the deeds to all the KHs--this audacious move was a financial coup worthy of the greediest capitalist who would take advantage of the innocent.
Is a similar loss of freedom being plotted in the new registration? They already have the minds and hearts of their lobotomised followers, what more do they want?
Possibly the information leading to harvesting the estates of members and ex members who die intestate?
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JWs and the Holocaust
by Stealth inthe jws always like to highlight their persecution during the holocaust.
while true, the chart below showing numbers of victims for jw was the lowest of all persecuted groups.
even lower than spanish republicans.. im guessing there have been more victims due to the wt blood policy.
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Half banana
JWs are led to believe that they are at the centre of the universe—they are in fact non-entities.
Very good information Stealth.
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Lies from the watchtower
by StephaneLaliberte ini am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.
1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .
"rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.
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Half banana
A very good question Stephane and an excellent reply Bennyk.
A big lie to demonstrate your point; from the 1950s or perhaps a bit later the slogan was that the generation which saw 1914 would also see the end of the "old system of things". The same lie for three generations during which time this carrot was dangled to the Watchtower donkeys who gave up their right to their own choice of life-style and served the Watchtower in mind word and deed. They never saw the promised reward, no because a Jehovah's Witness never does-- however the organisation became very rich by offering this false lure.
I do find it almost impossible to find anything at all which the JW org has said which is actually true and useful to know. Virtually everything they say turns out to be false, a false hope. Whatever they say, preach or indicate will happen it is not worth believing or putting faith in since it is either plain wrong or it is sooner or later replaced with another dodgy belief which also has no practical value in knowing it.
If you value freedom and sound reason: do not listen to Jehovah's Witnesses!
Everything the JW org says is useless except for the purpose of HQ controlling the minds of their dumb followers.
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The destruction of "Babylon the Great"
by Sour Grapes ini read the talk outline #49 for this summer's regional convention entitled "future events that will require courage-the destruction of babylon the great.".
the jdubs live in a comic book world.
babylon the great is all false religious organizations and she is destroyed by those she seeks to control.
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Half banana
What the Watchtower fears most is the loss of its money.
It expresses its fears in masked Freudian proclamations at the summer conventions. (A recent example is the plea to stay loyal since so many are waking up and deserting.) They fear most of all to be exposed as a non-religion and have their rights to preach and make money withdrawn. So they use Biblical imagery to echo their worries.
If they were "spiritual" this would not matter because the message would be held to be more important than the organisation but they are not, they are a business first, and they fear government authority which might tax them and make their religious racket non-viable.
Let's hope the governments do step in, tax uncharitable charities and stop the abusive religions.
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On and off again JW girlfriend
by Crzysin inhello everyone, i have an on and off again ex who is a jw.
each time her family gets involved and she's gone again.
i'm debating biting the bullet and doing the work to become baptized, so we can follow through with our engagement.
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Half banana
Don't even think for a moment about getting dunked as a Jehovah's Witness for any reason.
It is like throwing your life away, your freedom to choose what you want to do or say. You would most certainly regret it.
If you married your girlfriend, even if she agreed without you being baptised it is almost inevitable that there would be repercussions. She might well decide she needs to devote all her time to the cult, she may insist that your offspring will not have a blood transfusion etc. It would be hell. There is a better life elswhere which has nothing to do with cult obligations.
Only if you are mentally feeble, uneducated, friendless and desperately poor AND totally incompetent should you consider becoming a JW.
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How Precious Is A Governing Body Mole(Double Agent, 5th Colunm) To Sabatoge The Watchtower Organization?
by Brokeback Watchtower ini would suppose that there are many at very sensitive operations at headquarters and around the world that are moles or double agents a 5th column if you will that are in but mentally out and full of hated for the governing body.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fifth_column.
a fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favour of an enemy group or nation.
the activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine.
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Half banana
Presious?!
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The destruction of "Babylon the Great"
by Sour Grapes ini read the talk outline #49 for this summer's regional convention entitled "future events that will require courage-the destruction of babylon the great.".
the jdubs live in a comic book world.
babylon the great is all false religious organizations and she is destroyed by those she seeks to control.
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Half banana
Relax folks! The Bible is great for quotations because a lot of people used to hear it when read to them in Church back in the day but as far as prophecy goes, it’s complete rubbish!
As for the label “Babylon the great”, admittedly I haven’t researched its origins but during the Victorian period it was a great slur used by Protestants against “Popery”, as if to affirm a superiority of post reformation Christianity. In Episcopalian and C of E circles, it is very passé not to say un-ecumenical to condemn Catholics by this term today.
However in the early centuries of the Common Era it was well understood that the Christ cults took their doctrines from earlier religious themes and at the time under Roman rule there was not yet the partisan hatred of sects who held differing viewpoints. What mattered then was whether you were observed as an individual to be ”pious,” which meant that you respected and practiced devotions to the Gods. The attribution of piety presumably implied that you were a conscientious and reliable Roman citizen.
It was likely that in the second century the apocalyptic visions of an individual in a state of mystical passion were written down and attributed to John who records a religious harlot having intercourse with the kings of the world. It represented the beginnings of a new sensitivity to doctrine and temple affairs being contaminated by political influence. Note by contrast how in Judaism the political and religious were recognised as two elements of the same thing and this ideal still obtains there today. The cults wanted independence and no interference from Rome. It was as if for the sake of religious purity, i.e. godliness, that the Jesus cults would want to plough their own furrows and not have Rome or anyone else butt in.
Yet perhaps it was due to a foreboding of the inevitable Imperial Roman monopoly on religion which made the writer envision harlotry to describe what he thought was a flagrantly wrong relationship? Whatever the impulse, the writer represented a constituency which wanted a sense of doctrinal and religious sanctity, thinking that the invisible deity would rather have this kind of worship.
Whatever the true origins of the expression of “Babylon the great” it represents religious anxieties of people eighteen hundred years ago which certainly have no meaning, prophetic or otherwise, for people today or relevance to real life in the present world.
There is no such thing as false religion anymore than its opposite, true religion, they are both fictions of the Watchtower cult imagination. Neither is there a meaningful “Babylon the great” today , it cannot be destroyed since it doesn't exist.
To keep them alive in religious discourse is just more stale sabre rattling for the purpose of mind control by the out dated, irrelevant governing body of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They have been flogging this dead horse for more than a century!
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Why people fall for scams, what happens after.
by days of future passed ini couldn't figure out where to put this, so...... after seeing the sell off the properties in england, kingdom hall grabs etc.
i thought of the jw's that would passively go along with it.
what will happen when they realize all of their donations, wills, loaning of money and property has simply been part of a scam?.
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Half banana
JWs are generally decent people but not very rigorous in their thinking.
They seem to be unduly open to persuasion, or perhaps unduly undiscriminating about who they allow to persuade them.
(People susceptible to scams)
JWs are not familiar with critical examination of information, if they like the person who sells the idea--they will buy it. Everlasting life is yours if you slave for JW org for the rest of your life-- except you never, never get a reward, you just perpetuate the dream of a reward and direct money to the JW organisation.
Your points are good DoFP, a JW is likely to be a subject of serial scams because he or she does not understand how to make a critical analysis of facts. With JWs, it goes this way: "If it's in the Bible, it's good enough for me".
For goodness sake! The Bible was written by religious fanatics, high on emotion for the purpose of controlling . . . and the governing body of JWs use that coercive language of the Bible to manipulate their flock today.
Wakey wakey Jehovah's Witnesses!